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Animal Face-Off
Topic Started: Feb 8 2016, 04:15 PM (1,572 Views)
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lazerbem
Feb 9 2016, 09:11 PM
Well, in terms of fights...

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Episode 1: Salt***er Crocodile vs Great White Shark. I agree with the result, but the way the fight played out was awful. With the way the fight played out, the crocodile should have won. If they wanted to make the shark win(which would likely happen), why not make it use its greater speed?

Sharks(especially great whites) are massive pussies, though. They don't like fighting, even against defenseless prey. Crocs do, and enjoy it, even when they juggle against opponents that are a lot more massive than them. A great white would only lose its speed to run away, like tiger sharks do if they encounter salties. And even then the croc's got some nice reflexes given how gators fight anacondas and react fast enough to catch them, one would assume a saltie can duplicate that, but better, and an anaconda striking anything is going way faster than any great white known to man.

Though this fight was ridiculous. Apparently, a great white can somehow swim after getting one of its fins ripped off and after being turned upside down, which they clearly state that they can't. A croc can do that, thanks to the death roll. But the hugest mistake is the fact that the shark didn't die after getting that monstrous bite to the face/nose, where the shark's stimuli/nerves/whatever are. With the amount of force a saltie has in those jaws, unlike many other animals, the shark wouldn't just simply get knocked out, but it should've died right away.

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Episode 3: Lion vs Tiger. Asiatic Lions don't win against Bengal Tigers, and moreover the choreography was atrocious here. I love the lion fumbling its charge and the lion somehow just having the force push

At least they didn't call the lion the king of the jungle. :errm:
But seriously, worst fight ever.

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Episode 4: Hippo vs Bull Shark. No real problems, but this was even more unbalanced than elephant vs rhino.

And a REALLY random versus. Who the hell thought of this match-up?

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Episode 5: Cougar vs Wolf. The cougar winning was fine, but the choreography was terrible, and the final blow was laughable. It's actually in my avatar. The fact that the cougar apparently has a judo kick that can one shot a wolf is absurd. The claws are sharp, but the wolf has enough energy to roll over, which makes it look like a blunt force injury.

This is kind of a stomp aswell.

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Episode 7: Brown Bear vs Siberian Tiger. The fight should be closer, but over all, the result isn't inaccurate

I have only two problems with this one: A single hit from the bear was able to break the tiger's spine, wut? And the bear was stupid enough to let the tiger live after taking it down the first time.

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Episode 8: Crocodile vs Lion. No problems with it

Dat fatality, tho.

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Episode 9: Anaconda vs Jaguar. Total bulls***, the jaguar should have won and it getting tired so quickly was ridiculous

Apparently this show thinks felines tire out quickly. I can buy the lion, but not a tiger, a leopard or a jaguar.

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Episode 10: Gorilla vs Leopard. While the leopard should win the majority of the time, I will concede that a gorilla could win. What was stupid was the gorilla inexplicably being an expert of martial arts who could perfectly time his blows in order to smack the leopard out of mid-air. Another one stupid enough to be my sig

My original reaction to this fight:

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Stupid enough to make me go speechless.

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Episode 11: Black Bear vs Alligator. This is a fairly even match, but it played out like a stomp in the show. The bear shouldn't be able to flip the gator so easily.

Are black bears even strong enough to lift something as huge as a gator?

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Episode 12: Colossal Squid vs Sperm Whale. No problems, but this was a stomp match from the beginning. We know sperm whales eat the squid

Which makes this the dumbest and most unfair match-up in the whole show. And that's already saying a lot.
Like seriously. I'd rather watch a T-Rex VS Mammoth video. That'd be awesome.
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Sharks(especially great whites) are massive pussies, though. They don't like fighting, even against defenseless prey. Crocs do, and enjoy it, even when they juggle against opponents that are a lot more massive than them. A great white would only lose its speed to run away, like tiger sharks do if they encounter salties. And even then the croc's got some nice reflexes given how gators fight anacondas and react fast enough to catch them, one would assume a saltie can duplicate that, but better, and an anaconda striking anything is going way faster than any great white known to man.

Though this fight was ridiculous. Apparently, a great white can somehow swim after getting one of its fins ripped off and after being turned upside down, which they clearly state that they can't. A croc can do that, thanks to the death roll. But the hugest mistake is the fact that the shark didn't die after getting that monstrous bite to the face/nose, where the shark's stimuli/nerves/whatever are. With the amount of force a saltie has in those jaws, unlike many other animals, the shark wouldn't just simply get knocked out, but it should've died right away.

Gators don't fight anacondas, you're thinking of caimans. And I've never seen them outspeed it, just overpower it. In any case, while it's true that the shark would typically swim off, I think we're assuming that the animals are semi-bloodlusted here. Otherwise, a lot of these fights wouldn't even happen.

Crocodiles actually do go unconscious if they're upside down, the death roll only works because they have enough centripetal force to keep their spin going.
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Apparently this show thinks felines tire out quickly. I can buy the lion, but not a tiger, a leopard or a jaguar.

Felines do tire quickly...just not as quickly as a cold blooded snake
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Are black bears even strong enough to lift something as huge as a gator?

If it's sitting still and not thrashing, yeah. But obviously, that wouldn't be the case here.

What did you think of elephant vs rhino and walrus vs polar bear?
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(But felines do not tire out THAT quickly.)

I felt bad for the rhino. Like seriously, it's such a bad match-up, and I love rhinos. I love elephants aswell, but that one is really unfair. The elephant outclassed him in every way. In real life, elephants aren't even afraid of rhinos, they treat them like jokes.



The walrus won only because it cheated, it dragged the polar bear with it (which shouldn't happen. Come on, the bear is strong enough to not let it escape, even if a walrus weighs a lot.) and once they were in the water, the polar bear could've still attacked it, but it decided to run away for some reason. The walrus' finishing moves were brutal. Obviously the polar bear didn't stand a chance, they made it way too unfair.

Once again, the mechanical beasts for these animals were awesome.
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Animal Face-Off's CGI is in a league of its own. While I don't remember all of them, the jaguar vs anaconda was laughable. While anacondas are perfectly capable of killing fully grown jaguars, jaguars kill anacondas way more than vice versa. Even leopards, who are physically weaker than jaguars kill african rock pythons (granted, they aren't as robust as anacondas, but they're still gigantic). Jaguar should've won.

Lion vs tiger was also kinda dumb. An African lion is about even with a Bengal tiger (which, on average is the biggest tiger subspecies). An Asiatic lion is smaller, and as far as I'm concerned also less aggressive than their African cousins. Tiger should've won.

Cougar vs wolf. Accurate. A single wolf doesn't stand much of a chance in a face-to-face fight against a stronger cougar.

Croc vs shark. Was it stated where said fight took place? In shallow water, the croc will have the advantage. While in open water, the shark should easily be able to outmaneuver the croc and kill it.
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it dragged the polar bear with it (which shouldn't happen. Come on, the bear is strong enough to not let it escape, even if a walrus weighs a lot.

Amazingly, this is accurate. The only polar bear kills of walruses are either on weakened walruses or on walruses that have been stranded away from water. A walrus has plenty muscle to pull itself into the water even with a bear on it.
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While I don't remember all of them

They're all on Youtube if you want to refresh your memory. All the fights, anyway
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Cougar vs wolf. Accurate. A single wolf doesn't stand much of a chance in a face-to-face fight against a stronger cougar.

While the outcome was accurate, that fight was atrocious, come on. Cougars aren't strong enough to launch wolves with a kick and instantly kill it with such.
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Croc vs shark. Was it stated where said fight took place? In shallow water, the croc will have the advantage. While in open water, the shark should easily be able to outmaneuver the croc and kill it.

It was pretty deep, but all the shark did was bull rush
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The problem with shark vs croc is how the fight played out. Croc had every advantage possible and still lost for no good reason.
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Holy crap, some of the Spanish dubbing is really bad. Like, it's on an episode basis, but some of them don't even bother to muffle out the English original voices behind it. Also, alligator being pronounced as a direct translation with no change in Spanish hurts me. I always heard them called "lagarto"
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Yeah, for shows like these, there ain't much effort thrown into them. You want a really good Spanish dub? Go watch Disney lol. (or the spanish version of the song from my sig)

But it's weird that they call it "aligator". I've never heard anyone calling them that, we usually call them caimans, even if they're a bit different, but I suppose "aligator" is the technical term. And obviously it's going to sound like "lagarto", both words are really similar.

Edit: Ok, yeah, the spanish term aligátor does exist. I have no idea why they confused it with a caiman in the title page.
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Feb 9 2016, 11:43 PM
Yeah, I did think that some of the calcs done with the bots were quite accurate. The dub messes you up a bit, though.
"The croc has a bite force of +700 kg. That's nearly 2 tons."
What the?! No, seriously, WTF.
My mistake. They didn't say 700kg were nearly 2 tons, they said 276 kg were nearly 2 tons.
Seriously, worst dub ever. They don't even know how to calculate pounds into kg?

Not even the Andalusian spanish DBZ dub (which changed KameHameHa to "Vital Wave") was this bad.
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I found something rather funny about the experts on the show. For the most part, they resemble their animal. Think about it, the cat experts seem to be the cockiest and most...pretty boy-ish, I guess. The bear expert tend to be calm, big guys. The reptile scientist is a lean and sarcastic guy.

It's like they resemble their animal, and I just found that really funny.

Also, I learned two things. First off, the sperm whale vs colossal squid episode was actually never released in the US(why does so much unreleased stuff get a Spanish dub?) and that the show was cancelled because it was too violent, apparently. You must remember that while we look back on it poorly, at the time, it was rather unique for the time and fittingly bloody(even with the bad CGI)
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Feb 9 2016, 12:49 AM
I liked the show, but I like a lot of the "VS" shows like Deadliest Warrior, so I'm biased in that aspect. I loved the fantasy what-ifs, like shark VS croc, and the animatronic animals were sexy.
I like deadliest warriors, too bad no more.
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Those scientists have probably spent way too much time with the animals.

I think it's because censorship here is really weird. Certain bad things aren't allowed but others are.
But to the point where we dub something that isn't even released on its own country? That's... dumb.
I can buy the violence thing, even though I'm pretty sure there were FAR worse things in TV, and there still are.

I mean those CGI freaks weren't even real.
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(But felines do not tire out THAT quickly.)

I felt bad for the rhino. Like seriously, it's such a bad match-up, and I love rhinos. I love elephants aswell, but that one is really unfair. The elephant outclassed him in every way. In real life, elephants aren't even afraid of rhinos, they treat them like jokes.



The walrus won only because it cheated, it dragged the polar bear with it (which shouldn't happen. Come on, the bear is strong enough to not let it escape, even if a walrus weighs a lot.) and once they were in the water, the polar bear could've still attacked it, but it decided to run away for some reason. The walrus' finishing moves were brutal. Obviously the polar bear didn't stand a chance, they made it way too unfair.

Once again, the mechanical beasts for these animals were awesome.
That's hilarious. The rhino was a total punk b***.
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Well they're quite blind and not really bright, so you can expect them to run away when something unexpected happens.
The elephant was so cool in that video, it treated the rhino like a freaking dog.
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